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23 sierpnia 2010 r. Stowarzyszenie Inicjatyw Społeczno-Kulturalnych Stacja Muranów zostało wpisane do Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego z numerem KRS: 0000363445.
Rozmowy z sąsiadami
Kolejne dwie rozmowy z naszymi muranowskimi sąsiadami z Nowolipia - Tomkiem i Wiolą z Żółtego Cesarza i Łucją z butiku Imagine - już na stronie, w zakładce "Ludzie/Rozmowy o Muranowie".
Antykwariat z Karmelickiej
W sekcji "Ludzie", zakładce "Rozmowy o Muranowie", zapraszamy do lektury rozmowy z Tomaszem Latosem, właścicielem antykwariatu na Karmelickiej.
Zapraszamy na wystawę projektów z Future City Game Budzimy Muranów!
Baaardzo różowe, świetnie komponujące się z zielenią tablice z opisem projektów zawisły dziś na ogrodzeniu LXXXI Liceum Ogólnokształcącego im. Aleksandra Fredry przy ulicy Miłej 7 - dzięki uprzejmości Pani Dyrektor Joanny Kalety. Mamy nadzieję, że to początek współpracy Stacji Muranów z liceum, które ze względu na swój profil - regionalny - odgrywa ważną rolę w edukacji na temat Muranowa i warszawskiego getta.
Uwalnianie przestrzeni - wieża kościoła św. Augustyna
W sobotę, 5 czerwca 2010 r., Stacja Muranów wzięła udział w projekcie "Uwalnianie przestrzeni", oprowadzając chętnych po niedostępnej zazwyczaj wieży kościoła św. Augustyna przy ul. Nowolipki 18. Szczegóły tutaj.
Piknik na Nalewkach
W sobotę, 29 czerwca 2010 r., od godz. 13, zaprosiliśmy wszystkich sąsiadów Stacji Muranów na piknik na Nalewkach w ramach Dnia Sąsiada. Na zadrzewionym zielonym terenie między ul. Bohaterów Getta a ul. Andersa, na tyłach Arsenału odpoczywaliśmy, rozmawialiśmy, opalaliśmy się, bo pogoda wyjątkowo dopisała... i częstowaliśmy się nawzajem z piknikowych koszy. Sąsiedzi dostali od nas gazetę piknikową przedstawiającą historię ulicy Bohaterów Getta - fragmentu historycznych Nalewek. Relacja i zdjęcia z imprezy tutaj.
Forum Stacji Muranów już działa!
Zapraszamy wszystkich do dyskusji - zakładka Forum.
Brakowało tylko czerwonych smoków - rozmowa z Jarosławem Zielińskim
Jaki kolor miały budynki Muranowa Południowego jeszcze przed otynkowaniem? Czy przy ul. Andersa, kiedyś Nowotki miały stanąć dwie, czy jedna wieża? Na te pytania odpowiada Jarosław Zieliński, znany varsavianista, autor książki "Realizm socjalistyczny w Warszawie - urbanistyka i architektura" - w zakładce Ludzie, sekcja "Rozmowy o Muranowie".
Józef Hen o Muranowie
Zapraszamy do lektury - rozmowa Moniki Utnik z autorem "Nowolipia" w zakładce Ludzie, w sekcji Rozmowy o Muranowie.
Obudziliśmy Muranów!
Muranowska Future City Game, której organizatorem był British Council, a partnerami - Urzędy Dzielnic Śródmieście i Wola, Atelier Joanny Klimas i Stacja Muranów, już za nami. Pomysłem na przyszłe zagospodarowanie Muranowa, który został wybrany do realizacji największą ilością głosów, są "Książki z Nowolipek" - księgarskie święto ulicy, nawiązujące do tradycji tego miejsca. Z projektami można zapoznać się w zakładce : O dzielnicy/Budzimy Muranów .
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TRYBUS AND PIATEK ABOUT MURANOW
TRYBUS AND PIATEK ABOUT MURANOW
Muranów – a good place to live
Beata Chomątowska: - „Functionalism at the dress party“ – that`s how you called Muranow architecture during your lecture in the Museum of Warsaw Uprising. Why?
Jarosław Trybuś: - That`s not me, but Leopold Tyrmand in „Diary`54“ pointed out the freakness of this architecture, designed as modern – pure and functionalist, but under pressure of the communist system was adorned with decorative elements, socrealistic in style. This tells us a lot about the superficiality of socrealism, whose advocates were satisfied by seeing a few plaster cast aplications on these buildings, but on the other hand shows accuracy of modernist solutions. Where? In these blocks of flats, hidden between green spaces, offering all the inhabitants light, fresh air and nice views.
- Does Muranow architecture, derided by Tyrmand, has any value today, except from being the monument of the past era?
- Of course it does. It has the value, which has to be called the basic one for architecture of any kind, as it primary role is to serve the people. It`s useful. Muranow is the great place to live not only because of its location – in the city centre. This value lays in the art of planning. The scale of this estate was perfectly planned as „human“, which means, that its inhabitants and visitors have a feeling of comfort. Nothing is too high, too big, too overhelming, there are no big distances inside. It`s so different from further projects, for example the Jelonki estate in western part of Warsaw. When I go to Jelonki, I don`t feel like I`m still in the city. Most of us do not feel too comfortable between huge buildings spreaded in space, not linked anyhow to surrounding streets and so far from each other. At Muranow you cannot find anything like this.
- Most travel guides don`t point out Muranow as a symbol of Warsaw socrealistic architecture. It`s less mentioned than MDM (a smaller sub-estate in the eastern part of city centre). What`s the reason?
- Muranow, although an ideal estate of a new Poland, in contrary to MDM, was not given representative functions. MDM was planned to serve as a stage for mass gatherings, for example 1 May parades. It`s an ideal scenography to show the glory of a communist country. Muranow is just the comfortable living place for its citizens.
Jarosław Trybuś: - That`s not me, but Leopold Tyrmand in „Diary`54“ pointed out the freakness of this architecture, designed as modern – pure and functionalist, but under pressure of the communist system was adorned with decorative elements, socrealistic in style. This tells us a lot about the superficiality of socrealism, whose advocates were satisfied by seeing a few plaster cast aplications on these buildings, but on the other hand shows accuracy of modernist solutions. Where? In these blocks of flats, hidden between green spaces, offering all the inhabitants light, fresh air and nice views.
- Does Muranow architecture, derided by Tyrmand, has any value today, except from being the monument of the past era?
- Of course it does. It has the value, which has to be called the basic one for architecture of any kind, as it primary role is to serve the people. It`s useful. Muranow is the great place to live not only because of its location – in the city centre. This value lays in the art of planning. The scale of this estate was perfectly planned as „human“, which means, that its inhabitants and visitors have a feeling of comfort. Nothing is too high, too big, too overhelming, there are no big distances inside. It`s so different from further projects, for example the Jelonki estate in western part of Warsaw. When I go to Jelonki, I don`t feel like I`m still in the city. Most of us do not feel too comfortable between huge buildings spreaded in space, not linked anyhow to surrounding streets and so far from each other. At Muranow you cannot find anything like this.
- Most travel guides don`t point out Muranow as a symbol of Warsaw socrealistic architecture. It`s less mentioned than MDM (a smaller sub-estate in the eastern part of city centre). What`s the reason?
- Muranow, although an ideal estate of a new Poland, in contrary to MDM, was not given representative functions. MDM was planned to serve as a stage for mass gatherings, for example 1 May parades. It`s an ideal scenography to show the glory of a communist country. Muranow is just the comfortable living place for its citizens.
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Muranow before the war - narrow streets full of old buildings.....
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..and first after-war plan of the estate....
- The after-war Muranow splits naturally in three parts. The first one is so-called South Muranow, designed by Bohdan Lachert, the second – the set of monumental buildings along Andersa street, reminding of Berlin Karl-Marx-Allee. Between those two there are lots of incidential buildings from 70. and 80`s. Which Muranow is the most interesting for you?
Jarosław Trybuś: - Southern Muranow, designed by Lachert. He was a great architect and a very interesting person, too. He demonstrated his art of planning, based on pre-war fascinations by world avantgarde trends, but on the other hand, agreed on system interference in his own project. The dilemmas he had to face are the dilemmas of the whole generation of Polish architects, who came back to Warsaw after war and wanted to rebuild it from ruins. During the whole war they were dreaming of a new, modern and spacious city, and that`s how they started to plan it. Unfortunately, just a year after the war finished, the new communist administration in Poland acclaimed socrealism, a style in opposition to everything modern, basing on historical styles in architecture.
- Dividing Muranow in the three parts, I forgot about the new projects: Murano estate at Stawki street, Echo Investment buildings and the North Gate. What is your opinion on these projects?
Jarosław Trybuś: - It`s hard to be against new buildings, because they thicken the city structure. It`s the only way to make Warsaw the good place to live. More inhabitants of city center means less cars stuck in traffic jams on the roads, better infrastructure driven by inhabitants` needs, and also less wastelands, empty, left neglected for years and sometimes dangerous. The North Tower is a good supplement to Intraco skyscraper on the other side of the street. Murano is a different story. Those bulidings try to be more socrealistic than „old Muranow“ itself. It`s interesting – proves that this architectural era must have been deeply rooted in the mind of Warsaw citizens.
Grzegorz Piątek: - Neosocrealism of Murano apartments is astonishing! Especially if you know, that this is a project of Cracow architects. They took socrealism as a part of Warsaw speciality, although they have their own example of an ideal socrealist town – Nowa Huta. North Gate nothing special, architectural cliche, even ordinary in its details. Too low to be the good balance for Intraco, too high to serve as a real gate to Muranow. But I`m as happy as Jarek, that by every new projects the city becomes more intensive, more exciting. The Gdanski Station has a great communication with the rest of the city and it would be a pity to see it as a wasteland.
- When did you come to Muranow for the first time and how did you feel then?
JT: - I`m not from Warsaw and that`s why I discovered it quite late, because that`s not the kind of estate you just pass through your way on. To get there, you must have an aim. And that`s another advantage of this urbanistic system. The groups of buildings are not secured, have no fence, but anyhow spanided – by green and earthworks. It`s a great value. When I came there for the first time, I was enchanced by this silent, green oasis in the middle of the city centre. And that`s how I feel anytime I visit my friends who live there.
GP: - I was born and raised in Warsaw, but for many years Muranow stayed beside my radar. First of all – because Southern Muranow was designed in a very wise way. All those level changes, stairs, little gates, complicated system of inner courtyards act as a natural protection for inhabitants, because they discourage accidential visitors. It`s easier to walk along Jana Pawła or Solidarności – the main streets. It`s a great lesson for developers, how to raise the safety thanks to some tricks, not just simple hences, guards and video monitoring. The other reason why I avoided Muranow for a long time was its past. I felt a tragedy of Warsaw ghetto here. If you know that this estate was built up from ghetto ruins and on ruins, it may be threatening, and the silence of this estate, caused mainly by high age rate of its inhabitants made me think of „a living cemetery“. But things change. The new, mostly young people come to settle down here, there are also new shops, cafes and bars. Muranow is not a gloomy place anymore.
- Muranow is perceived as an after-war project, but as I`ve heard, the idea of building the new estate here came up a few years later, during Nazi occupation?
JT: - It`s worth to remember, that Warsaw architects did not stop designing during the war. Expecting some damages in the city structure, many of them prepared secret plans of rebuilding Warsaw. That`s the reason why just after the war the city started to make its new architectural image. Everything had to be build from scratch, out of nothing. It was a great challenge for designers, but also their secret dream. Not many developers and architects have such an unique chance to compose huge acres of a new city. Modernists dreamed of such a possibilities. Paradoxically, only the war could offer it.
GP: - We have to remember, that some solutions, as Jana Pawła street, was designed befor the war, as a N-S route. Also the Niepodległości Allee and Stołeczna street at Żoliborz district are a part of it. And in this case the war helped to realise the dreams.
Jarosław Trybuś: - Southern Muranow, designed by Lachert. He was a great architect and a very interesting person, too. He demonstrated his art of planning, based on pre-war fascinations by world avantgarde trends, but on the other hand, agreed on system interference in his own project. The dilemmas he had to face are the dilemmas of the whole generation of Polish architects, who came back to Warsaw after war and wanted to rebuild it from ruins. During the whole war they were dreaming of a new, modern and spacious city, and that`s how they started to plan it. Unfortunately, just a year after the war finished, the new communist administration in Poland acclaimed socrealism, a style in opposition to everything modern, basing on historical styles in architecture.
- Dividing Muranow in the three parts, I forgot about the new projects: Murano estate at Stawki street, Echo Investment buildings and the North Gate. What is your opinion on these projects?
Jarosław Trybuś: - It`s hard to be against new buildings, because they thicken the city structure. It`s the only way to make Warsaw the good place to live. More inhabitants of city center means less cars stuck in traffic jams on the roads, better infrastructure driven by inhabitants` needs, and also less wastelands, empty, left neglected for years and sometimes dangerous. The North Tower is a good supplement to Intraco skyscraper on the other side of the street. Murano is a different story. Those bulidings try to be more socrealistic than „old Muranow“ itself. It`s interesting – proves that this architectural era must have been deeply rooted in the mind of Warsaw citizens.
Grzegorz Piątek: - Neosocrealism of Murano apartments is astonishing! Especially if you know, that this is a project of Cracow architects. They took socrealism as a part of Warsaw speciality, although they have their own example of an ideal socrealist town – Nowa Huta. North Gate nothing special, architectural cliche, even ordinary in its details. Too low to be the good balance for Intraco, too high to serve as a real gate to Muranow. But I`m as happy as Jarek, that by every new projects the city becomes more intensive, more exciting. The Gdanski Station has a great communication with the rest of the city and it would be a pity to see it as a wasteland.
- When did you come to Muranow for the first time and how did you feel then?
JT: - I`m not from Warsaw and that`s why I discovered it quite late, because that`s not the kind of estate you just pass through your way on. To get there, you must have an aim. And that`s another advantage of this urbanistic system. The groups of buildings are not secured, have no fence, but anyhow spanided – by green and earthworks. It`s a great value. When I came there for the first time, I was enchanced by this silent, green oasis in the middle of the city centre. And that`s how I feel anytime I visit my friends who live there.
GP: - I was born and raised in Warsaw, but for many years Muranow stayed beside my radar. First of all – because Southern Muranow was designed in a very wise way. All those level changes, stairs, little gates, complicated system of inner courtyards act as a natural protection for inhabitants, because they discourage accidential visitors. It`s easier to walk along Jana Pawła or Solidarności – the main streets. It`s a great lesson for developers, how to raise the safety thanks to some tricks, not just simple hences, guards and video monitoring. The other reason why I avoided Muranow for a long time was its past. I felt a tragedy of Warsaw ghetto here. If you know that this estate was built up from ghetto ruins and on ruins, it may be threatening, and the silence of this estate, caused mainly by high age rate of its inhabitants made me think of „a living cemetery“. But things change. The new, mostly young people come to settle down here, there are also new shops, cafes and bars. Muranow is not a gloomy place anymore.
- Muranow is perceived as an after-war project, but as I`ve heard, the idea of building the new estate here came up a few years later, during Nazi occupation?
JT: - It`s worth to remember, that Warsaw architects did not stop designing during the war. Expecting some damages in the city structure, many of them prepared secret plans of rebuilding Warsaw. That`s the reason why just after the war the city started to make its new architectural image. Everything had to be build from scratch, out of nothing. It was a great challenge for designers, but also their secret dream. Not many developers and architects have such an unique chance to compose huge acres of a new city. Modernists dreamed of such a possibilities. Paradoxically, only the war could offer it.
GP: - We have to remember, that some solutions, as Jana Pawła street, was designed befor the war, as a N-S route. Also the Niepodległości Allee and Stołeczna street at Żoliborz district are a part of it. And in this case the war helped to realise the dreams.
The ghetto gate
- The concept of an estate as a monument is a very original idea, but frightening as well. The Muranow designers offered the estate inhabitants a sort of an architectural and sociological experiment: the estate built on the ruins of Warsaw ghetto, which became a cemetery for thousands of Jewish inhabitants of Warsaw, was to serve as a home for thousands of living people from different parts of Poland. After picking up the keys to their new flats they must have been told what had happened on this area before. Was there any alternative solution?
JT: - I don`t think so. Tones of rubble, covering the area of a former ghetto, had to stay here. Thanks to them it was possible to create the comfortable level differences and, for example, to separate the pedestrians from the wheeled, which was one of modernistic ideas.
GP: - The use of rubble as a building base was poetical and pragmatic in one. Let`s imagine how much time and how many trucks must have been used to move out all remains of Jewish district? It was easier to recycle it where it stayed. Another lesson for today`s architects and developers: how to use the materials to the full, not creating extra rubbish.
- Muranow is often perceived as grey, sad, monotonous. Is there any way to help it? Clean all the builidngs up, paint them in bright colours? Or maybe to remove every socrealistic details from the facades, coming back to the idea of Bohdan Lachert?
JT: - Even Lachert was forced to change his original project, I think that the details should stay – as a document of past era. Every architectural project is a kind of a compromise with the investor, isn`t it? Do we have a right today to come back to some ideal form? The freakness of Muranow, torn between orthodox modernism and populistic socrealism makes it so unique and authentic. Renovation – yes, but according to restaurateur rules. But... maybe one block of flats should be torn out of decorative elements and took back to its roots, according to Lachert ideas - just as an example? I`m hestitating.....
GP: - I think there`s no way back to the concept of raw, unplastered buildings. We couldn`t bare such a sharpness and lack of colours. Considering colours – the whole estate needs renovation, but the concept of painting particular buildings should be considered at a higher level then locator`s communities. Muranow is a complex structure, and should get a homogenous restoration project. In other case, there`ll be a cacophony: another pink blocks of flats, accompanied by yellow and pistacchio - I`m even afraid to think of such a possibility...This could easily destroy Muranow charm.
JT: - I don`t think so. Tones of rubble, covering the area of a former ghetto, had to stay here. Thanks to them it was possible to create the comfortable level differences and, for example, to separate the pedestrians from the wheeled, which was one of modernistic ideas.
GP: - The use of rubble as a building base was poetical and pragmatic in one. Let`s imagine how much time and how many trucks must have been used to move out all remains of Jewish district? It was easier to recycle it where it stayed. Another lesson for today`s architects and developers: how to use the materials to the full, not creating extra rubbish.
- Muranow is often perceived as grey, sad, monotonous. Is there any way to help it? Clean all the builidngs up, paint them in bright colours? Or maybe to remove every socrealistic details from the facades, coming back to the idea of Bohdan Lachert?
JT: - Even Lachert was forced to change his original project, I think that the details should stay – as a document of past era. Every architectural project is a kind of a compromise with the investor, isn`t it? Do we have a right today to come back to some ideal form? The freakness of Muranow, torn between orthodox modernism and populistic socrealism makes it so unique and authentic. Renovation – yes, but according to restaurateur rules. But... maybe one block of flats should be torn out of decorative elements and took back to its roots, according to Lachert ideas - just as an example? I`m hestitating.....
GP: - I think there`s no way back to the concept of raw, unplastered buildings. We couldn`t bare such a sharpness and lack of colours. Considering colours – the whole estate needs renovation, but the concept of painting particular buildings should be considered at a higher level then locator`s communities. Muranow is a complex structure, and should get a homogenous restoration project. In other case, there`ll be a cacophony: another pink blocks of flats, accompanied by yellow and pistacchio - I`m even afraid to think of such a possibility...This could easily destroy Muranow charm.
The new Muranow is being built
- During the post-war debates on Muranow recultivation, no one even mentioned the possibility of reconstructioning even a part of previous building structure. Can we think today of rebuilding for example Simons passage (a great department store at Nalewki street)? Would it fit into today`s Muranow architectural space?
JT: - I`m convinced that the great Warsaw rebuilding is over. Simons Passage itself was not a piece of art, it was a simple developing project. It values today more like a Warsaw Uprising monument than an architectural monument. Let`s imagine the Uprising starts today and Mokotow Gallery burns down. Would we even think of rebuilding it afterwards? I doubt.
GP: - It`s high time to stop this reconstruction hiccups. It was reasonable in the early post-war years, when the city almost disappeared. The people who were coming back wanted even partly see what they remembered from 1939, to feel here at home, to rebuild a part of themselves as well. But those years are over. Just a few of today`s Warsaw inhabitants remember how the city looked like before the war. Such coming back could be a sort of manipulation. It`s also worth to remember, that pre-war Warsaw was either a comfortable or beautiful city to live in. Of course it wanted to be, but during 20 years of independence was a too short period to make al the plans come true. The North Centre of Warsaw, including Muranow, used to be at that time one of the worst parts of the city. Lots of old tenement houses, clinging one to another, dark wet courtyards, bad hygienic standards – all was even more disgusting than admirable. Some architects planned to tear it all down before the war. Unfortunately, there was not enough money to do that.
- In your work, awarded with Golden Lion at Architectural Biennale in Venice, you demonstrated new, sometimes surprising use of well-known buildings. Would you be able to do it also with Muranow? Is there any space for a hostel in the block of flats from 50`s?
JT: - There`s no need to do that. Those buildings work well in the role that has been given to them 50 years ago and there is no sign of coming change. It also shows the high value of Lachert`s project.
GP: - Mixing of different functions is healthy – I like it. Students` house, hostel, hotel in Muranow block of flats surely would work. But there`s no need to that by force. These buildings are OK.
- Could Muranow become so trendy as few years ago Nowa Huta district in Cracow or Berlin`s KMA?
JT: - Don`t you think it has already happened? I know a lot of people who have chosen to live at Muranow, although it costs them quite a lot. There are even more people who would like to do the same.
GP: - This trend does not have to be created, `cause the quality of living space combined with central location speak for themselves. Muranow offers much higher quality of life than most of new Warsaw estates. The only disadvantage is the average flat height – too low. It`s a kind of Zoliborz, but without villas and in the centre of the city. Sooner or later it`ll become one of the most desirable, trendy addresses. The only thing that has to be done is to take care of it, not letting anyone to spoil it. Let it slowly take off.
Jarosław Trybuś and Grzegorz Piątek – art historians and architecture critics. Their exhibit entitled Warsaw's Polonia Hotel at The Polish Pavilion at the 11th International Architecture Biennale, which opened in Venice in 2009, has been awarded the Golden Lion for Best National Participation.
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